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nick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:50 pm

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:31 pm

nick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:09 pm

ajalves wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:27 pm its for sure a problem. I don't thinks its just a weapon problem though. A lot of it is a parenting problem.

You'd be astonished at the sheer amount of 'mental health issues' young kids have nowadays.

say what you will, the pandemic didn't help things

It’s a weapon problem. Are we gonna act like other countries don’t have bad parents? I don’t see shootings at a every other week level in any country, including third world ones.

You're missing the point... there's levels to the parenting issues.

Ya Americans are the only ones with parental problems… no other developed country.

File this under “excuses”

Do other countries have the single parent households that Americans have? Serious question here. The lack of both parents and poverty is a big reason for violence in the inner cities.

Hwat

Here's another important map that shows a difference between the US and the rest of the world:

The_Niddler wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:56 pm

nick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:40 pm Start charging parents of minors who do this and watch the increase in martial arts registration and decrease in gun ownership.

You may be right nick.

The issue I have with this is, the truly troubled kids. If the parents have them locked away and the kid still finds a way to get them, then I don't feel like that parent should suffer.
There are some terrible kids out there, but I know this is a very small % of cases where this happens.

If the parents of a truly troubled child still must have their guns and they can't find any way to actually prevent the kid from accessing them, then I still don't feel bad for that parent and they should still be held liable.

Those folks should be thinking long and hard about whether their guns are more important than preventing their kids from committing murder. But beyond that - why in the world would the troubled kid be able to break through layers of security they should have no knowledge of to access the gun? Combination locks should be impenetrable for someone without the numbers - it would mathematically take forever to break into a safe like that to access the gun.

I'm pretty pro gun, but I think something like 46% of gun owners don't own a safe.

Which is just crazy to me

qazhby wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:29 pm I'm pretty pro gun, but I think something like 46% of gun owners don't own a safe.

Which is just crazy to me

You don't need a safe. A trigger lock would suffice. A trigger lock should be mandatory when buying a gun.

Parents of the Michigan kid have been charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter

listening to the press brief where the prosecutor is bringing charges against the parents. Pretty damning! Mother even text her son "don't do it" prior to the shooting.

When this all happened and people were calling for the parents to be charged I was initially against it, but after that press briefing they should 100% be charged. I just hope they don't have any other kids that will have to live with what their brother did and the culpability of their parents.

As much as you don't want to hear it, guns don't shoot themselves. Forks don't shove food in your mouth. Glasses don't pour liquor down your throat. Cars don't drive into on-coming traffic (well, there is Tesla... ).

You can make an argument that the method is more effective for a devious act, but it ultimately takes a devious actor for it to occur. You're not going to legislate this issue to non-existence through gun control. If you think it's even remotely possible, then you have absolutely no idea how many unregistered guns are out there and how easy they are to acquire. A malicious act of violence comes from a bad soul. That bad soul comes from numerous parental and societal influences. This isn't new news, it's just inconvenient truth because people don't want to be held accountable on numerous levels.

learning more about that shooting. The school should be held culpable as well. I am positive they will face civil cases and lose a lot of money in those cases.

Looking at Dak's graph, I just don't know that it can be logically argued that there is zero correlation with the US being so gun heavy and gun deaths(not just school shootings) being so high compared to other 1st world countries.

Ethan Crumbley was apparently drawing pictures of guns and people with bullet wounds hours before he opened fire in school. Crumbley's parents were also notified about this and didn't seem particularly worried about it.


Charge the parents

Also… notice it wasn’t a single parent? So that theory goes out the window.

shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:16 pm Looking at Dak's graph, I just don't know that it can be logically argued that there is zero correlation with the US being so gun heavy and gun deaths(not just school shootings) being so high compared to other 1st world countries.

Certainly there's a correlation, you can't have shootings without guns. You're also not going to successfully legislate guns out of the hands of evil doers in this country either.

Man a 6 year old was starved and killed in England and I could go there right now and kill the parents in half a second. Wouldn’t even take a second thought

nick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:26 pm

Also… notice it wasn’t a single parent? So that theory goes out the window.

so we throw out crime stats because of one case?

https://fixfamilycourts.com/single-moth ... tatistics/

72% of juvenile murderers, and 60% of rapists came from single mother homes. Chuck Colson, “How Shall We Live?” Tyndale House , 2004, p.323

Effects of Fatherlessness – Teenage Statistics

63% of all youth suicides,
70% of all teen pregnancies,
71% of all adolescent chemical/substance abusers,
80% of all prison inmates, and
90% of all homeless and runaway children, came from single mother homes.
Bob Ray Sanders, “Hey Y’all, Let’s Fill The Hall (Of Fame), Ft. Worth Star Telegram, Oct.28,2007
Mona Charen, “More Good News Than Bad?”, Washington Times, Mar.16, 2001 (citing Bill Bennett, “The Index of Leading Cultural Indicators: American society at the end of the 20th Century., New York, Broadway Books, 1994)

http://www.rochesterareafatherhoodnetwo ... statistics

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just ... family-and

nick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:15 pm Man a 6 year old was starved and killed in England and I could go there right now and kill the parents in half a second. Wouldn’t even take a second thought

I'll tag along with you. I have never understood the violence directed at your own kid.

You want a real bad case of this, there is a netflix documentary about a little kid in california. I think his name was Garcia, may be able to look it up that way. If you really want to be pissed, watch that

The Trials of Gabrial Fernandez is the series

https://www.netflix.com/title/80220207

The kid is on audio crying saying no one loves him. He was starved, fed salt laced food, dehydrated, neglected and he died from a brain injury.

Im telling you.. it would be bad if I ever crossed their path

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:15 pm learning more about that shooting. The school should be held culpable as well. I am positive they will face civil cases and lose a lot of money in those cases.

why is that? I don't know the ins and outs

shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:16 pm Looking at Dak's graph, I just don't know that it can be logically argued that there is zero correlation with the US being so gun heavy and gun deaths(not just school shootings) being so high compared to other 1st world countries.

who is making that argument? of course there is a correlation. its not just that black n white though IMO