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shel311 wrote:

Block M wrote:Someone mentioned the diagonal line drive punt. I believe it's punt return safe that is basically like a spread out 4-3 with the safeties/your return men being 30-40 yards off the LOS. Negates this tactic cause I was seeing it so often I had to discover a counter to it.

Doesn't that tactic just punt the ball out of bounds?

Am I thinking of something different?

Well guess it depends on the skill level of the user....some do some dont and bounce an additional 10-15 yards downfield.

I've used diagonal punt mostly to try to get it out of bounds on deeper punts; if I'm beyond my own 40, I do a regular punt and try to aim for the 10 yd line. Otherwise, it's getting taken back for a big gain, never fails.

As for the middle of the field....many of our QBs suck compared to these superhuman DBs/LBs so throwing deep outs, curls, etc is too risky. The middle is the shortest route for the ball to travel. As long as you're mixing up the types of routes (drags, posts, deep ins, etc) and WHO the ball is going to, I don't care. To me, forcing the ball to one guy is more lame than throwing to one area of the field.

Block M wrote:

shel311 wrote:

Block M wrote:Someone mentioned the diagonal line drive punt. I believe it's punt return safe that is basically like a spread out 4-3 with the safeties/your return men being 30-40 yards off the LOS. Negates this tactic cause I was seeing it so often I had to discover a counter to it.

Doesn't that tactic just punt the ball out of bounds?

Am I thinking of something different?

Well guess it depends on the skill level of the user....some do some dont and bounce an additional 10-15 yards downfield.

I know not what you speak of

I decided to DGAF in coaches reports and play how I wanted. I have the luxury of not needing good coaches reports to keep my team.

I play the Nevada pistol offense, spread option, screens, all sorts of random shit. I go for two whenever. Hurry up constantly, fake. Diagonal punt (my punt coverage blowsssss). Most users liked it as I got all 5s or 99%.

The middle shit is the only thing that annoys me, not when say middle tenn state does it, I can stop that, but if lsu does it I go ape shit about not being able to do anything. (not saying lsu has ever done it).

I put NDL games into two categories. If I had fun, auto all 5s. If I was pissed or annoyed, I look at the game more closely but all 5s still is possible.

jsence2 wrote: As long as you're mixing up the types of routes (drags, posts, deep ins, etc) and WHO the ball is going to, I don't care. To me, forcing the ball to one guy is more lame than throwing to one area of the field.

I cannot believe I am agreeing with jsence.
I want to see guys mix the ball up and hit different receivers.


I do want to backup and say a few things from the 5 pages I just read through though, I see both sides of the discussion.

I completely understand where trendon is coming from about his gameplay with play actions and scrambles, etc. resulting in coaching report docks of points.
Shel, he was not saying that corey is going to dock him during this report, he was stating that in the past it has happened this way.


I think that the problem with it is that some of your opponents do not realize up front that you do play different than many people in the league.
I can think of Dak, last season with Rutgers, he let everyone know that he is running a different style of offense. When I played him, I knew to expect something different.
I had fun playing him and gave him all 5 in his coaching reports.

If I didn't read, up front, that he was running that style of offense, I would not have docked him, but I think many people would have, but for me, I treat it like Corey does, unless you are abusing something or going for it on 4th and 20 on your own 20, I don't care, but I can see how some people would think...I say think...that you are using play actions and scrambling and the option play a lot and many different things trying to take advantage of the AI.

I am not saying I agree with those people.

I think about the real NCAA. Every Saturday that I watch games, I see many different styles of gameplay. So I do think that we, the NDL as a whole, needs to accept that and allow people to play in different styles.
We need to really think about what is happening in the game.

Do you think your opponent is trying to get around the AI of the game or are they using different styles to mix things up?

I also do not believe trendon was trying to call out corey for passing over the middle a lot, but I believe he was using it to show the comparison between someone who most people feel is playing by the rules and straight up football (corey), compared to when trendon runs PA's and scrambles and screens and the option, etc. and how it is perceived as he is doing something wrong.



Now, on the flip side, trendon, you would not enjoy playing me. I grew up in NE Ohio watching the cold weather, ground and pound teams, so that is how I like to play.
Run the ball first, short passes when needed, a long pass only when a guy is wide open.

I never watched your game, so I cannot comment on it, but I think as far as stopping the pass over the middle, the biggest issue that I can see is that you are buffalo.
With a lower ranked team, it is harder to stop.

I am not trying to be a dick to you about buffalo, I am just saying that I think that is where some of your frustration comes from.
I would have to imagine that when you are playing a team that is at the same grade as your team I am sure your team stops the pass over the middle much more often than against a team that is rated better than yours that has better WR's.

The_Niddler wrote:Shel, he was not saying that corey is going to dock him during this report,

I know that, and that was my point all along.

If corey wasnt docking him, what the hell are we arguing about?

I feel like docking him now just because he whined so much and is being a baby and ruining the fun "we" had.

some of the things being discussed in here...need not be discussed in open forum. This isnt teaching the NDL the right way. Come on guys.

LGF wrote:some of the things being discussed in here...need not be discussed in open forum. This isnt teaching the NDL the right way. Come on guys.

US Senator, is that you?

The NDL has probably learned more from this thread than any other 500 threads combined. I know I have.

So we playing next year?

trendon wrote:

LGF wrote:some of the things being discussed in here...need not be discussed in open forum. This isnt teaching the NDL the right way. Come on guys.

US Senator, is that you?

The NDL has probably learned more from this thread than any other 500 threads combined. I know I have.

you know what I mean Trendon. People in here saying how they do coaching reports which many of you do coaching reports the wrong way by just giving all 5s or tanking reports on purpose...those kinda of conversations need to be messaged privately and not in open forum...all these new NDLers and future NDLers see this and think it is ok...it isnt.

I dont know how else to put it, but this thread jeopardizes the way things are structured around here...you may not like the way people play or the way things are done, but there are better ways of handling this. It isn't like your take on cops or religion...its the NDL.

And now Trendon gets me this block and will face the same exact playbook and likely same exact route combos.

That said, while I have learned a great deal, I don't think anyone else is understanding what I am saying.

- Most people get great coaching reports, especially in "offensive variety."
- By my experience, if I were to give a consensus rating to the whole league, I would give us a two out of five since there is nearly no "variety" or "moderation" in how people play. Their only goal is to not fuck up enough to be able to throw a slant or skinny post.
- I have now fallen in line with them but in a different way. I want a good coaching report but I refuse to throw down the middle, so I do something different (throw deep a ton), but I also play with a variety level of a two.
- If I played how I wanted to play - which is what you will see on TV, as mentioned earlier - I would be docked severely; it happened for many seasons until I wised up. (By the way, this is an actual case study on the word irony. Literally.)
- Pre-PS3 days, I ran the option on 99 out of 100 plays - re: no variety whatsoever - and received exceptional coaching report scores.

In effect, I am borderline claiming that I am one of the few honest players in the NDL, if you can manage to read that without choking on laughter, and it is frustrating to me that I have to be dishonest to get better coaching reports. As such, I propose that the coaching report form language be changed from "variety" to, say, "Agreeability."

Trendon, I'll probably play a lot like Corey. If you play your game just the way you did against Corey, you're getting all 5s.

So, can we not have another 10 page pointless debate about it?

Thanks,

Coach Shel

LGF wrote:I dont know how else to put it, but this thread jeopardizes the way things are structured around here...you may not like the way people play or the way things are done, but there are better ways of handling this. It isn't like your take on cops or religion...its the NDL.

Eh, nobody is insulting each other, though. If this was done privately, the only avenue it could go is insulting. I've learned a lot and if, according to our own rulebook, we are all adults, then people will be able to see the forest for the trees.

Again to clarify, this is less about coaching reports and throwing over the middle in a direct sense, but the fact that we seem to actually reward less variety and penalize more variety. It is a realization I had midway through this thread. The more creative you are; the more you will be penalized.

shel311 wrote:Trendon, I'll probably play a lot like Corey. If you play your game just the way you did against Corey, you're getting all 5s.

So, can we not have another 10 page pointless debate about it?

Thanks,

Coach Shel

That's the thing; I probably won't. I am going back to how I want to play. It isn't cheating and it isn't illegal; in fact, it actually takes the spirit of the word moderation to heart, but you will not like it any more than anyone else did.

trendon wrote:

shel311 wrote:Trendon, I'll probably play a lot like Corey. If you play your game just the way you did against Corey, you're getting all 5s.

So, can we not have another 10 page pointless debate about it?

Thanks,

Coach Shel

That's the thing; I probably won't. I am going back to how I want to play. It isn't cheating and it isn't illegal; in fact, it actually takes the spirit of the word moderation to heart, but you will not like it any more than anyone else did.

Wait wait wait, last game was Toned Down Moderation Trendon?

LOL, no, that's my point! Just aimlessly flicking the ball into the sky is what I do ... TO GET GOOD COACHING REPORTS! It is all very strange.

DRiccio21 wrote:well, if you didn't think broadcasting was going to turn into a fiasco of gameplay compaints, you weren't thinking it thru.

meh

this was my biggest worry as ive pushed for more people to braodcast over the last couple years

i dont think it would have worked in the past but i think we're at a point where as u can see in this thread, guys can debate stuff, even get heated but not cross the line, due to amount of vets we have at this point

this thread isnt "too" bad and considering its the only one after at least double digit broadcasts now, i consider it a good start

gives me a chance to reiterate that with 120 guys, we're gonna have 120 different opinions on what is "str8"...which is fine. we all know the rules and how to use coaches reports, so guys have to chill when they see something they dont 100% agree with

lastly not to play the bad guy but trust me, if the nitpicking and bitching starts to climb and guys dont get what i said in the last sentence, I'll personally step in and start squashing those threads

broadcasting is a GREAT thing for NDL

this is a pretty healthy thread imo and a good exercise to make us all give a second thought to how judgemental we are of others gameplay, especially if anyone believes "their way" is the only right way and everyone is cheese or something