Does a Non-BCS Team Deserve More of a Shot?...in the NDL

[pounddarock]

Just wondering what you guys honestly think about this now that we are faced with an undefeated non-BCS team vs. 1-loss BCS teams....

I know there's talk of playoffs and such in the real life NCAA..but the NDL is different (with user players and all playing into it). I am really struggling on not giving a guy who goes 13-0 a shot at the title..any comments?


had to change the poll..sorry Nole

[Nole4real]

actually pound, im atake away the poll aspect of this post.

It can kinda give away the result and ruin the "suprise" when the official results are released.

good idea though

[pounddarock]

actually pound, im atake away the poll aspect of this post.

It can kinda give away the result and ruin the "suprise" when the official results are released.

good idea though

No problem, chief...decided to make it an interesting thread instead...maybe

[brocam]

Well, I am a one that will always be in the camp for the non-BcS teams and I believe they truly deserve a shot at a national title. But until the system is changed to where you are picking more than 2 teams to play for the national championship, their chances are slim and none.
This season I don't see how you could make the case that an undefeated non-BcS team is more deserving than Oklahoma, Florida, Notre Dame, etc. In my mind one loss isn't enough to knock them down below a non-BcS team.

Then look at the non-BcS conf standings:
-3 teams with good records (9 or above wins)
-4 teams with .500 or 1 game above .500 records

SOS:
4 win team from Big12
7 win team from Sunbelt
5 win team from WAC
2 win team from MAC
2 win team from MAC
1 win team from MAC
2 win team from MAC
11 win team from MAC
6 win team from MAC
2 win team from SEC
5 win team from MAC
7 win team from MAC
10 win team in MAC Championship

That make 5 bowl eligible teams out of 13 games (38%), but only 2 have more than 7 wins.

While, I may not vote for Cinderella this season, I do think this season makes a great case for the URGENT need for a playoff. How can you select one team out of OU/FL/ND, ETC?? It is such a disgrace that we all sit here and accept this charade of a football season. Despite great seasons 3 teams and an undefeated team will not have a chance to earn the Championship trophy.

Bring me playoffs or bring me death.

[WJ5811]

Well I have played alot of the top teams at some point in this season. I played California and Notre Dame both with 1 loss in the regular season. I played Florida, Florida State, Ohio State all in the NDL CUP. I can tell you first hand until FSU lost in thier conf title game that any of those teams would have been a pick for the title game. I know some are looking at Oklahoma's loss to Kansas State as bigger than Florida's loss to LSU. But I also have played Kansas State this season and they took me to a 3 point game that I pulled out late in the 4th so they really played well this season against some good teams.

Bowling Green is 13-0 and I love to root for the little guy. So I would be happy to see them in the title game but I think the conference strength will hurt them. I would like to be there and play Florida again. I have renewed my rivalry with them after those LSU days. But I think the only other team in my mind is Oklahoma. I dont hold the Kansas State game against them because I know that was a tough team. Also they beat Missouri and the sausages for the Big 12 which looked like a better match-up than the SEC game. I dont know which team to vote for yet but I do know you cant go wrong with any of those top teams and they all have a shot.

[pounddarock]

great post!

Is it possible that the NDL ever adopts at least a +1 format even if in real life they do not? I do like the bowl games and the selection process...but I have to agree with you about the non-bcs argument this season. Let's say the BG coach decides to stick with his team...hopefully he realizes that his OOC must contain some top-ranked teams...but then again, do they have the balls to schedule him?

[walker213]

I appreciate all of you that are pulling for me to be in the BCS Championship, but truly, I don't even believe I should be in it. I know I've got the undefeated record and have played some stellar coaches, but really, the only way a non-BCS team should be in the BCS Championship is if they've played top BCS teams non-conference and won, which I didn't. I might have beaten a few good teams in the NDL Cup, but that's a different story. So overall, if I don't get in the game or even a BCS game, it's fine, but if I do, it's all gravy.

[pounddarock]

Respect!

but you should at least get a BCS game...IMO. I thought any undefeated non-BCS team does..am I wrong on this point?

[walker213]

Boise State didn't, but Utah had a lot to do with that.

[Mtwasik]

Respect!

but you should at least get a BCS game...IMO. I thought any undefeated non-BCS team does..am I wrong on this point?

It all depends on Bowling Green's final BCS rank

If I remember correctly, the highest ranked non-BCS school that finishes in the top 12 (might have been changed to top 14 or top 16 in the last few years) is guarenteed a BCS bowl bid. The reason Boise didn't go, is because it goes to the highest non-BCS school, so that's why Utah went instead of Boise State and TCU this year. I can't remember what the NDL uses for total BCS, if the Massey rankings are included also, but if computer rankings, strength of schedule matter to help a team get in, that could drop Bowling Green, and they still have to finish ahead of Houston, who was 10th, but lost in its last game.

[Quest4Gold]

Well everyone will see when they release the polls, I put BG at #5.

I think from 9-25 were my hardest part of the poll as there are so many 3 lost teams this season.

[nick]

if this is techincal, then Bowling Green will get in as I believe a stipulation is, as long as an undefeated team is ahead of a BCS Champion.

MIchigan won the Big 10, and they are not even ranked in the top 25 lol, so I guess BG is in.

[jsence2]

Also keep in mind that no more than two teams from any conference can make any of the five BCS games, so that will also help.

[WJ5811]

if this is techincal, then Bowling Green will get in as I believe a stipulation is, as long as an undefeated team is ahead of a BCS Champion.

MIchigan won the Big 10, and they are not even ranked in the top 25 lol, so I guess BG is in.

Michigan has to go to the Rose Bowl for winning Big 10. So who would be out from that conference a 1 loss Ohio State?

[nick]

if this is techincal, then Bowling Green will get in as I believe a stipulation is, as long as an undefeated team is ahead of a BCS Champion.

MIchigan won the Big 10, and they are not even ranked in the top 25 lol, so I guess BG is in.

Michigan has to go to the Rose Bowl for winning Big 10. So who would be out from that conference a 1 loss Ohio State?

i dont know how it works exactly. since Mich won the big 10, and BG is undefeated they go.

ND is in the top 12 so by rule they automaticly go

GTech, FLorida, USC, Rutgers, and Oklahoma go for winning their confs

so now we have

GTech, Fla, USC, Rutgers, Mich, Oklahoma, Bowling Green, Notre Dame.

so out of 10 spots, 8 are taken leaving the final two to i guess the best 2 teams available.

I dont know if the NDL runs on this, but in another regard, the Rose Bowl would take an 11-1 Cal team over another conference.

I'm just basing this on real life. Michigan winning fucked over 1 team thats for sure because if OSU won the Big 10, i doubt BG gets in.

[nick]

this is from CBS SPorts.com

The champions of selected conferences are contractually committed to certain bowls, unless they are No. 1 or No. 2. (ACC: Orange; Big Ten: Rose; Big 12: Fiesta; Pac-10: Rose; SEC: Sugar).

If a Bowl loses a host team to the title game, then the bowl gets first choice at a replacement team. The rest of the selection order for 2009 is as follows: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange.

One champion from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either: A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or, B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

In Non-BCS games, the pick is not the order the team finished in the conference, but a selection order by the bowls. (Example: ACC No. 4 doesn't mean the fourth-place team, it means the Champs Sports Bowl gets the fourth selection out of the ACC.)

[jsence2]

Nick....you do realize that BG isn't a Big Ten school, right?

OSU getting in along with Michigan doesn't keep them out.

Florida--SEC
Oklahoma--Big XII
Michigan--Big Ten
USC--Pac 10
Florida State--ACC
Rutgers--Big East
Notre Dame--in top 12

So that leaves three spots for:

Ohio State
Bowling Green
Cal
Missouri
Miami

Odds are that BG gets enough votes to get in, along with their CPU rankings.

[Mtwasik]

Nick....you do realize that BG isn't a Big Ten school, right?

OSU getting in along with Michigan doesn't keep them out.

Florida--SEC
Oklahoma--Big XII
Michigan--Big Ten
USC--Pac 10
Florida State--ACC
Rutgers--Big East
Notre Dame--in top 12

So that leaves three spots for:

Ohio State
Bowling Green
Cal
Missouri
Miami

Odds are that BG gets enough votes to get in, along with their CPU rankings.

He wasn't saying that BG is a Big 10 school. What he is saying, is that since it looks like BG will be at least top 16 in the BCS standings, they are guarented a spot in a BCS bowl, since they would have a higher ranking then a champion (Michigan) from a BCS champion.

Now, Ohio State COULD be one of the top alternates to get in, but if Michigan gets in by winning their conference, then so does BG.

[jsence2]

I must have misread. I thought he was saying that Michigan getting in would keep BG out.

[Daw1git]

Florida State--ACC

sorry I lost bud that's G-Tech now

so that leaves
Ohio State
Bowling Green
Cal
Missouri
Miami
FSU