Rule Edit for scrambling with QB

[Nole4real]

http://onlinedynasty.net/forum/viewtopi ... p=127#p127

Under QB play in red.

Bascially the wording was changed to be more clear and easily understood. The intent of the rule remains the same.

PLEASE, do not start a 5 page debate on the advantages and disadvantages on the rule. We have discussed it as a league, as conf commisioners and commisioners. Pleae take the rule and abide by it.

Thanks

NDL Staff

[Steamrollr22]

I agree with the first part of the rule...the second part of the rule is crap...putting a number on it is crap..IMO...it wont be a problem for me..but your just asking people to count how many times the qb runs..it depends on the defense called bottom line..to say you can do it only 2-3 times a game when your stupid ass opponents likes to drop 8 all the time and doesnt not pay attention to the qb..

This league is great for the simple reason that the vast majority play great str8 football and know the game. So you dont have to worry about shit play from new guys do to the application process (and you know what to look for from most vets). The problems come in for me when you try and tell someone how to play and putting a number on qb scrambles is just rediculous IMO..(we used to make rules to counter AI flaws(like rolling out the qb everyplay and hitting the drag) and now we make them so that people play the way that certain people want them too) There are plenty of ways to counteract the qb scramble!!(spy,line slant, blitz, play zone yourself somewhere around the line, audible a lineman to spy etc etc.)

I accept the rule and all that and its fine by me(my qb's not exactly a runner haha-glad for that now)..but I had to put in my two cents on this one because i feel like some of us are getting carried away with the rules crap..
PLAY THE DAMN GAME and counter your opponent.. ENOUGH SAID.

Sorry to post..but had to let it out.. I understand its not a debate and dont intend to start one.

[dakshdar]

Does the rule mean "you can call a pass play and purposefully take off on a run two or three times a game" or "you can call a pass play, have absolutely nowhere to throw the ball, hang around in the pocket for 10 seconds, and then take off to run only two or three times a game" ?

It isn't clear on that since the rule seems to be addressing picking a pass play but actually intending to run from the get-go.

[6ftdeep]

Does the rule mean "you can call a pass play and purposefully take off on a run two or three times a game" or "you can call a pass play, have absolutely nowhere to throw the ball, hang around in the pocket for 10 seconds, and then take off to run only two or three times a game" ?

It isn't clear on that since the rule seems to be addressing picking a pass play but actually intending to run from the get-go.

It is saying in any situation, so yeah.. If guys are sitting back in coverage more then 2-3 times a game.. and everyone is covered you will have to throw the ball away.

[VeniVediV1ci]

i agree with Steam, this is dumb and I don't even run with my qb at all. It's just moving down the line of being a league with so many rules that there's going to be a uniform way to play and it's gonna make it boring, imo

[doc]

Does the rule mean "you can call a pass play and purposefully take off on a run two or three times a game" or "you can call a pass play, have absolutely nowhere to throw the ball, hang around in the pocket for 10 seconds, and then take off to run only two or three times a game" ?

It isn't clear on that since the rule seems to be addressing picking a pass play but actually intending to run from the get-go.

It is saying in any situation, so yeah.. If guys are sitting back in coverage more then 2-3 times a game.. and everyone is covered you will have to throw the ball away.

I dont think thats right. i think the intent is to keep the scrambling to a minimum. If you drop 8 and dont account for my QB and have stayed in the pocket you can run. i think the development of play will be key. If you have waited and just have know where to go but the field is wide open you can run. Just dont make that the your only option. If you get flushed running to the sideline yeah throw it away. Yu step up and avoid a sack and the QB isnt accounted for run. thats how I see the rule. I think the rule was intended for streaks and bootleg runs.

[Uuaww]

it seems like this rule is catering to the "haves" not the "have-nots". Lower quality teams when playing higher competition are the ones who are likely to suffer. If Florida drops 8 and rushes 3 against Troy, you can bet he will blanket the receivers and maybe even get a decent rush. Said Troy QB will likely have to scramble to buy time but will have to use his 3 "QB pass scrambles" at more opportune times. I think this should be dealt with the same way stuff like this is usually dealt with; if is abused, dock the coaches report.

[BFiVL]

Does the rule mean "you can call a pass play and purposefully take off on a run two or three times a game" or "you can call a pass play, have absolutely nowhere to throw the ball, hang around in the pocket for 10 seconds, and then take off to run only two or three times a game" ?

It isn't clear on that since the rule seems to be addressing picking a pass play but actually intending to run from the get-go.

It is saying in any situation, so yeah.. If guys are sitting back in coverage more then 2-3 times a game.. and everyone is covered you will have to throw the ball away.

I dont think thats right. i think the intent is to keep the scrambling to a minimum. If you drop 8 and dont account for my QB and have stayed in the pocket you can run. i think the development of play will be key. If you have waited and just have know where to go but the field is wide open you can run. Just dont make that the your only option. If you get flushed running to the sideline yeah throw it away. Yu step up and avoid a sack and the QB isnt accounted for run. thats how I see the rule. I think the rule was intended for streaks and bootleg runs.

Doc is the winner. There is a difference in the running of a QB who sits in the pocket for 5-10 secs and scrambling and a QB who takes off as soon as the ball is snapped on a designed pass play. This rule has been around since season 1 and was designed against that east room cheese of all streaks and running for 30 yards with a qb. It needed to be updated. People shouldnt have to feel ashamed of running with a QB when protection breaks down or there is absolutely no one open and you gave the play time to develop properly.

[VTrunNgun]

i agree with Steam, this is dumb and I don't even run with my qb at all. It's just moving down the line of being a league with so many rules that there's going to be a uniform way to play and it's gonna make it boring, imo

Pandora's Box is now in business...Geeeezz, I agree completely with Steam, point for point.

I'll play by the rules, but come on now...Look at if from the other perspective now, say a QB hits his scramble limit for the game, if I'm on Defense is is now acceptable to just drop 8 people back in Prevent everytime I smell pass??

Since I KNOW he's not allowed to run and has to sit on his side of the of scrimmage, I'll just bail on worrying about him and cover everyone downfield while my D Line makes their way to him eventually.

While we're at it, since we're basically a few shakes away from just letting Corso pick all of our plays and rolling the dice, how about we add a MULLIGAN feature for the game???

Ya know, like in golf...You make a mistake and you really really really didn't mean to do it. Accidental INT or failed attempt to stop the other team on a key conversion? I think thats the future of gaming online

[BillRoy]

I really appreciate the effort of the leaders of the league to be progressive in addressing changes in the game. With that being said, I think you touched on the most powerful tool that all of us have with the recording aspect of the game.

In the new-rule rewrite, it is even addressed with this statement,

"Remember, EA allows us to record video after the game. Questionable tactics involving running with the QB can and will be reviewed and is subject to action in accordance with rule violations"

I believe with the new "recordability"- that any excessive/unrealistic play-styles can be reviewed and a determination can be made on a case-by-case basis; as opposed to setting any sort of numerical limit on the game or the gameplay.

I would hope that we could rely in our individual desires to have an incredible vehicle to satisfy our love for football, our competitive urges, and a place to meet some good people (even you Hoos- you sweep toss running fuck).

Personally, I rely on the time-tested adage of: If I have seen in on a Saturday (or a Thursday, Friday, Sunday- for you smart-ass, technical types) then feel free to do it.

Again, I thank those who compose the "powers that be" in their attempt to be proactive and not reactive. But in this case, we may have been a bit too "ticky-tack"

[BFiVL]

it seems like this rule is catering to the "haves" not the "have-nots". Lower quality teams when playing higher competition are the ones who are likely to suffer. If Florida drops 8 and rushes 3 against Troy, you can bet he will blanket the receivers and maybe even get a decent rush. Said Troy QB will likely have to scramble to buy time but will have to use his 3 "QB pass scrambles" at more opportune times. I think this should be dealt with the same way stuff like this is usually dealt with; if is abused, dock the coaches report.

On the flip side, dont you think after they drop 8 a few times and you pick up yardage with the QB, they will respect your running ability and play you more honest in that respect?

we all should be level headed here which sometimes is not the strong point of the ndl sometimes. If as a coach, I see I am getting great pressure on a QB and he has little to no time to pass, I shouldnt be surprised if the QB tucks it and runs. Thats realistic. BUT, A qb shouldnt be scrambling every pass play for yards and they hardly do in real life and in this league.

For example, if I see a 3 man front, my first instinct should never be just to take off and pick up yardage. BUT if I sit in the pocket, roll out to buy time, and the shit aint there. I see no problem tucking and running.

[Cnasty]

The complaining about this version is at an all time high.

If you play the game the right way and just enjoy it for what its worth, a game, then you will have no problems or even worry about rules.

I am already pretty bored with this game with the reptitiveness of these glitches, and aggressive vs conservative, and all the other little nuances.

Cant we just play the damn game?? Im actually missing last years version because you could just fire it up and play and not worry about "guess pass", "strong run", "aggressive" and all these other crap things.

Essay entry notated bitches!!!

[Dolemitesooner]

I get so pissed when I read this stuff. I am not even going to waste my time posting.

[Uuaww]

On the flip side, dont you think after they drop 8 a few times and you pick up yardage with the QB, they will respect your running ability and play you more honest in that respect?

Not if they know you can only do it 3 times a game.

[6ftdeep]

Well I didnt even realize there was a debate about the running of qbs, I have never played anyone in league, whom picked passing plays with the sole intention of running with the qb.

Not sure why it had to be brought up and readdressed, everyone in league should know that it is against the rules to pick passing plays with the intention to run with a fast qb.
The only reason why I stated that it is also limited the number of times someone can run with a qb even when guys are covered. Otherwise why the limit.. I was under the impression that no number of qb runs with the sole intention of running out of a pass play was allowed.

[BFiVL]

On the flip side, dont you think after they drop 8 a few times and you pick up yardage with the QB, they will respect your running ability and play you more honest in that respect?

Not if they know you can only do it 3 times a game.

how is this affecting your game? Looking at your stats you have only given up 3 sacks in 2 games and run the ball with the QB 5 times?

[ReignOnU]

Just a few random thoughts.

1.) If I continue to drop 8 in coverage, then run, it's my own dumb fault.

2.) I can't even scramble outside of the pocket, so I have no idea how you guys are pulling that off unless it's an intentional roll out on a play that isn't designed for a roll out.

3.) If you continually shoot outside (hi there Mr. East Room tactic) and blow by my tackles, then you should rest assured that I'm running right up the middle of the pocket, if my WRs are covered. (dropping 5, 6, 7, 8) To me, this will be a bigger issue as the season goes on. So in the end, you can dock me on my report, I'll dock you on your report and neither of us can keep our team. Fun.

4.) Someone else asked the question about "don't you think after you burn them 1x or 2x that they will not drop 8?" Well, if you've burnt them 2x and you can only run 3, then why should they stop dropping everyone. You're only going to get them once more, then you get to start tossing the ball away, forcing passes or taking sacks.

I haven't been back around very long, but I'm pretty sure that this rule simly needs to involve the amazing term: Moderation.

I find it hard to believe that many of the guys in this league would intentionally scramble around and run w/their QB. I think many of us are quite aware of our offensive tendancies. The funny thing is, I don't think nearly as many are in touch with their defensive tendancies. So it's normally a coaches D tendancies that force the offense to do things that they may not expect.

[jsence2]

Gotta agree with everything said so far. To limit the NUMBER of times is unfair and will definitely favor those teams who are loaded with talent. They can simply rush three and play aggressive D-line and you're forced to throw it away, force it into coverage, or take the sack.

I don't see why the rule needed to be changed as I had not heard of any major complaints, and we all know what is "realistic" and what isn't when it comes to this.

[Uuaww]

On the flip side, dont you think after they drop 8 a few times and you pick up yardage with the QB, they will respect your running ability and play you more honest in that respect?

Not if they know you can only do it 3 times a game.

how is this affecting your game? Looking at your stats you have only given up 3 sacks in 2 games and run the ball with the QB 5 times?

Devil's advocate, it isn't part of my gameplan; i just run the ball up the middle.

[jsence2]

3.) If you continually shoot outside (hi there Mr. East Room tactic) and blow by my tackles, then you should rest assured that I'm running right up the middle of the pocket, if my WRs are covered. (dropping 5, 6, 7, 8) To me, this will be a bigger issue as the season goes on. So in the end, you can dock me on my report, I'll dock you on your report and neither of us can keep our team. Fun.

I think this is the best point made so far. The line crashing it out of CONTROL this year and you cannot COUNTER it (shifting the line doesn't work, and you have to guess which way the slant is coming!) and guys are using it because they know it works. If we can't run with the QB when that DE comes flying around untouched, because we've already run two or three times....