At this point Im willing to beg....

[shel311]

Thats exactly it you guys...NDL seperated itself from the masses by playing on Heisman. It wasnt the only 112 team out there but it was the only one that played on Heisman. And it is the only one to survive.... Now we have changed that to cater to all the people we tried to get away from back in the day and even now. The masses... I think that is why its harder to find guys now..because we open it up to the masses...Not the elite gamers that are willing to play on Heisman....Just my opinion

Dude, when you list the reasons why the NDL separated itself from other leagues, playing on Heisman is wayyyyyyyyyyyy down on that list. We prevailed over other leagues because of a whole bunch of other things.


And saying we "changed that to cater to all the people we tried to get away from back in the day" is completely off base and flat out wrong. That is not remotely the reason we changed, and as a longstanding member, I figured you would have known that.

[Hoos]

Steam..no offense but that post is so far off the truth that it’s amusing. The original switch to Heisman had nothing to do with separating the NDL from the rest. We switched because that particular version sucked on AA. The next few versions ended up being the same story. Heisman vs. AA has been looked at every year.

It had zero to do with elite players, separating the NDL, the NDL lasting because of Heisman, or anything like that.

[Hoos]

GD you Shel.

[shel311]

GD you Shel.

LOL.

I have no clue what Steam is trying to say, but it surely insinuates some pretty bad stuff.

First of all, Heisman/AA in 2006 is nothing like it is in 2010.

Second, he says we stayed away from AA to cater to people we were staying away from back then "AND NOW". Am I wrong to take that as Steam saying, the guys wanting AA are the cheesier type of players that we should stay away from? That is EXACTLY what that line says from my interpretation. Given the fact that a pretty big majority was in favor of AA, I guess Steam is saying the majority of the NDL are guys we should stay away from???


It just makes zero sense man.

[Cnasty]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait for it...

[Steamrollr22]

All i was trying to say is that playing on Hiesman has made us different that all the other leagues. As far as I know we have never play on AA not one season of the NDL history? I could be wrong.. No reason to go on the attack..I was just stating my point of view..thats honestly how ive seen and viewed the league..no need to get feathers rustled.

[6ftdeep]

I think AA works better for the masses.

This needs to be repeated 30 times in this thread.

I personally loved Heisman over AA but I also understood that the NDL is ALWAYS about whats better for the league and mass of players. I enjoyed playing on AA as well and kept in mind its all about the league.

See why this may be true about AA when the game is first released.. AA just doesn't hold up for 3 seasons.. For anyone who believes AA provides better gameplay over heisman is either lying to themselves or only plays the game when they have a league game which is 1 to 2 times a week. But for anyone who plays the game halfway regularly should be able to see the advantages of Heisman over AA in terms of its balance gameplay. There is a reason why most of the ODs have switched to Heisman. specially so since the patches and game mechanics changes by EA since release.

I for one overall enjoy NCAA and play it somewhat regularly others are in the league for the same reason, and I hope most people who are in the league are in the league cause they enjoy the setup and enjoy playing NCAA game.
I know there are some that is in the league because the enjoy the people in the league.. I m also in the league for that. But new people join the league not for the people in the league.. but I hope cause they enjoy the game and the setup of the league.
I mean what is the masses, is the masses of our league people who enjoy playing ncaa, the setup of the league, and the people.. or the people who don't really care for ncaa one way or the other, but enjoy the people and the setup.
Which group are we catering for .
I hope the first.. Cause while the people in this league are great and the group of guys as whole present and pass are awesome.. This is still the NDL --- NCAA DYNASTY LEAGUE.. a League based on NCAA football game for people who enjoy playing NCAA.

And if we catering to guys who halfway regularly play the game, cause they enjoy the game.. Then to me Heisman is better for the masses.

[shel311]

All i was trying to say is that playing on Hiesman has made us different that all the other leagues. As far as I know we have never play on AA not one season of the NDL history? I could be wrong.. No reason to go on the attack..I was just stating my point of view..thats honestly how ive seen and viewed the league..no need to get feathers rustled.

1. Times have changed.

2. You insinuated some pretty ridiculous things, of course that will ruffle some feathers.

[Hoos]

The NDL started off on AA. I don't recall what season we changed but I know it was because the game was horrible on AA.

[trendon]

I just want to go on the record and say, for years now, both modes at the base sliders are fucked.

[shel311]

For anyone who believes AA provides better gameplay over heisman is either lying to themselves or only plays the game when they have a league game which is 1 to 2 times a week.

Yea, I'm lying to myself, that's it.

You realize this is an OPINION and you are right while we're all wrong?

[Steamrollr22]

Does anyone have anything to say for a new system?....thats part of my point here.. The new system would eliminate the bickering all together until the vote for season 3 and we wouldnt have these post anymore ever.. It would also serve to try and make everyone happy..

[shel311]

I mean what is the masses, is the masses of our league people who enjoy playing ncaa, the setup of the league, and the people.. or the people who don't really care for ncaa one way or the other, but enjoy the people and the setup.
Which group are we catering for .

We're catering to the NDL as a whole, why can't the Heisman guys grasp that concept?

[Hoos]

And if we catering to guys who halfway regularly play the game, cause they enjoy the game.. Then to me Heisman is better for the masses.

Tell that to the Farm that finally has people in it. The last few years, on Heisman, the farm has depleted. Regardless of what you guys think, a vast majority of people play the game on AA. People that find things frustrating quit.

I’m not trying to be an asshole here but you guys don’t always see the big picture. It has been hell at times to fill this league. The decision to move to AA had as much to do with the future of the NDL than the actual game play.

The NDL wanting only elite Heisman players is completely false. The NDL wants straight players and has never cared about their talent level. That is one of the reasons the NDL has continued on.

[Crowes]

I'll take a guess and say that a good percentage of the coaches in this league only fire up the game to play league games. I know that's the only reason I play it is for league games.

[trendon]

I'll take a guess and say that a good percentage of the coaches in this league only fire up the game to play league games. I know that's the only reason I play it is for league games.

Crowes, did we play on Heisman or AA?

[Crowes]

I'll take a guess and say that a good percentage of the coaches in this league only fire up the game to play league games. I know that's the only reason I play it is for league games.

Crowes, did we play on Heisman or AA?

AA

[Steamrollr22]

Hoos, I just think that the crop of coaches may be smaller when on Heisman but the quality would be better and weeding out of owners would be less.

Shel, I cant see how you are catering to the masses when this year there was no vote. It was a decision made by the higher ups without a vote. I would feel a lot better about it if there had been a vote. This is not an us vs u thing...There is no disrespect here. Just wanting to talk about the issue. I didnt mean to insinuate anything besides the fact that we have changed from a long standing norm, thats all dont read more into it..

[Nole4real]

NDL STARTED on AA (seasons 1-6). As stated, going to the heisman level had NOTHING to do with seperating or differientiating the league from others.

The decision to go AA or Heisman has always been made based strictly on what the head commish thinks is best for the league. The reason its not put to a vote (i did put a poll just to guage opinions one year) is because that creates an us vs them morale. It's like being republican or democratic. Guys will dig in on their "side", be upset when they voted one way and the league goes another then complain about how if it were a certain way the game would be much better which spill sover to Morale which is honestly the last thing this league needs with all the negative nelly's we have around here.

Sadly, alot of what im seeing in steam and 6fts post each time is "I", "I", "I". I apologize if im off based but you guys really cant seem to break out of the idea that we have to look at the game for the league.

I'm sure you are already going into defensive mode and ready to post/say that you think all the points you made are best for the league but I honestly cant believe youve done that and taken into consideration all level of coaching ability including lower level guys and the backbone of the league.

As Ive said before, guys will simply have alot less fun losing 7-10 then they would losing 21-24. Its really that simple.

Now this year we have a unique situation. EA made an update after we had already started the season on AA. The update effected gameplay on AA and Heisman. As we near the end of this season and plan for the next, admins will be looking at Heis with the new settings to again determine whats best for the league as a whole, not any one individual.

Gonna lock er up.

Thanks guys