Announcing Changes/Adjustments to Budgets - OOTP

[brwnbear]

Percentages

New England Spitters 15.86%
Port Orange Hawks 15.74%
Las Vegas Gamblers 17.58%
New York Launch 15.88%
Sheltown Shockers 12.70%
Miami Marlins 11.52%
Texas Outlaws 9.10%
Concordia Tornados 8.73%
Denver Dynamite 8.88%
NorCal Bombers 5.48%
Steel City Bulldogs 6.38%
Carolina Spartans 6.45%
Philadelphia Cheesesteaks 3.29%
Chicago LOLCats 3.19%
Washington Stars 2.97%
Seattle Sea Wolves 2.54%
Hartford Whalers 2.04%
Albany Wild Ones 0.87%
Toronto Warriors -1.50%
Sioux City Explorers -10.19%

Is this a lot of work?

Like more work than it's worth?


Maybe others can chime in, cause now I'm thinking it'll be tons of work lol.

its a ton of fucking work to go back and edit every year on every contract signed during the offseason. And its not just a per team calculation, you would have to apply the league average (someone would have to figure it out first) since Dak wants it applied to every player in the league.

You would basically have to decide what each guy would have signed for "if" the media contract was correct. Good Luck finding out that number. It would also give an unfair advantage to those that didnt offer big deals as teams are now able to lock in prime talent at lower levels from the FA pool.

You either dump them back into the FA pool or you keep them with their current contract. No adjustments should be made.

[shel311]

Say I had $70 million at the start of the FA period. You're taking $27 million. That's ~39%. I would have expected if I started with 39% less money that the FAs and Extensions I signed would have cost me ~39% less. This would then leave me the same percentage of the total available that I had before the adjustment

This is exactly how I was thinking.

[dakshdar]

We have to be fair and apply changes that affect the league as a whole, not just benefit a few.

What exactly are we doing if we take money away from all teams but 2? Isn't that just benefiting a few?

[shel311]

Brwnbear and Trendon need to have a conference call so our commishes can be on the same page. You guys keep saying different things.

[brwnbear]

Percentages

New England Spitters 15.86%
Port Orange Hawks 15.74%
Las Vegas Gamblers 17.58%
New York Launch 15.88%
Sheltown Shockers 12.70%
Miami Marlins 11.52%
Texas Outlaws 9.10%
Concordia Tornados 8.73%
Denver Dynamite 8.88%
NorCal Bombers 5.48%
Steel City Bulldogs 6.38%
Carolina Spartans 6.45%
Philadelphia Cheesesteaks 3.29%
Chicago LOLCats 3.19%
Washington Stars 2.97%
Seattle Sea Wolves 2.54%
Hartford Whalers 2.04%
Albany Wild Ones 0.87%
Toronto Warriors -1.50%
Sioux City Explorers -10.19%

These are the percentages of the total budget though. Pre-existing contracts aren't impacted by what happened.

I look at it like this:

Say I had $70 million at the start of the FA period. You're taking $27 million. That's ~39%. I would have expected if I started with 39% less money that the FAs and Extensions I signed would have cost me ~39% less. This would then leave me the same percentage of the total available that I had before the adjustment.

No it wouldnt have.

Your extentions and signings would not have costed 39% less because you are only taking into account your own budget. You have to take into account the entire budget amongst all teams. Chicago was only affected by about 5%. How would you get to sign a player for 39% less while I only have a discount of 5%.

[dakshdar]

This game requires planning and decision making for the future.

Removing this money is basically like one of us playing NCAA 12, being up 28-7 in the third quarter, we're avoiding running up the score so we're calling plays conservative, and suddenly in the fourth quarter the screen goes blank for a second and when it comes back on you're losing 42-28 and there isn't any time to adjust before it's "Game over man, game over."

[dakshdar]

Percentages

New England Spitters 15.86%
Port Orange Hawks 15.74%
Las Vegas Gamblers 17.58%
New York Launch 15.88%
Sheltown Shockers 12.70%
Miami Marlins 11.52%
Texas Outlaws 9.10%
Concordia Tornados 8.73%
Denver Dynamite 8.88%
NorCal Bombers 5.48%
Steel City Bulldogs 6.38%
Carolina Spartans 6.45%
Philadelphia Cheesesteaks 3.29%
Chicago LOLCats 3.19%
Washington Stars 2.97%
Seattle Sea Wolves 2.54%
Hartford Whalers 2.04%
Albany Wild Ones 0.87%
Toronto Warriors -1.50%
Sioux City Explorers -10.19%

These are the percentages of the total budget though. Pre-existing contracts aren't impacted by what happened.

I look at it like this:

Say I had $70 million at the start of the FA period. You're taking $27 million. That's ~39%. I would have expected if I started with 39% less money that the FAs and Extensions I signed would have cost me ~39% less. This would then leave me the same percentage of the total available that I had before the adjustment.

No it wouldnt have.

Your extentions and signings would not have costed 39% less because you are only taking into account your own budget. You have to take into account the entire budget amongst all teams. Chicago was only affected by about 5%. How would you get to sign a player for 39% less while I only have a discount of 5%.

I would not have spent the same ammount. I'm not saying I'd have signed or extended the same players, but I had a plan to spend a certain amount and save a certain amount. If I started with $70 million and now have $10, that is only saving 15% of the money I had for extensions. That wasn't part of the plan.

[brwnbear]

We have to be fair and apply changes that affect the league as a whole, not just benefit a few.

What exactly are we doing if we take money away from all teams but 2? Isn't that just benefiting a few?

What part of this dont you understand. There are rules that where set up when everyone signed up to OOTP. Part of those rules is that everyone gets $25M media budget. The game changed the rules without our knowledge. A few people benefited when they shouldnt have. We are not "benefiting a few," we are following the rules that where established when we started the game. It is no ones fault you got fake money but we cant allow you to keep it.

[brwnbear]

Percentages

New England Spitters 15.86%
Port Orange Hawks 15.74%
Las Vegas Gamblers 17.58%
New York Launch 15.88%
Sheltown Shockers 12.70%
Miami Marlins 11.52%
Texas Outlaws 9.10%
Concordia Tornados 8.73%
Denver Dynamite 8.88%
NorCal Bombers 5.48%
Steel City Bulldogs 6.38%
Carolina Spartans 6.45%
Philadelphia Cheesesteaks 3.29%
Chicago LOLCats 3.19%
Washington Stars 2.97%
Seattle Sea Wolves 2.54%
Hartford Whalers 2.04%
Albany Wild Ones 0.87%
Toronto Warriors -1.50%
Sioux City Explorers -10.19%

These are the percentages of the total budget though. Pre-existing contracts aren't impacted by what happened.

I look at it like this:

Say I had $70 million at the start of the FA period. You're taking $27 million. That's ~39%. I would have expected if I started with 39% less money that the FAs and Extensions I signed would have cost me ~39% less. This would then leave me the same percentage of the total available that I had before the adjustment.

No it wouldnt have.

Your extentions and signings would not have costed 39% less because you are only taking into account your own budget. You have to take into account the entire budget amongst all teams. Chicago was only affected by about 5%. How would you get to sign a player for 39% less while I only have a discount of 5%.

I would not have spent the same ammount. I'm not saying I'd have signed or extended the same players, but I had a plan to spend a certain amount and save a certain amount. If I started with $70 million and now have $10, that is only saving 15% of the money I had for extensions. That wasn't part of the plan.

If trendon agrees, we can let drop your FA that you signed and you will have to resign them again and compete with everyone.

[trendon]

Joe, I am not sure if what you say is accurate but there is one problem with what you say: there is no way to know what money everyone had available. I know what I had. Going into arbitration, I had $22 million available but came out with nearly $30 million and then someone grabbed one of my players off of waivers, giving me even more.

[trendon]

If it makes you happy Joe, I will give you money out of New York's coffers. I am not being a dick or facetious. I'd just rather pay you out of our own pockets (I get interest-free loans from Bank of New York) then have anyone feel like they were screwed.

Honestly, though, the only teams that screwed themselves are a CPU team and the team that has the GM that overlooked the issue. You guys are fine, I truly don't see the alarm.

[doc]

I wont pretend to know much about this game but I signed a guy due to one thing or another. I signed him because I wanted him. Not to throw him back in some pool to compete with others. Cant we come up with a solution to do this at the start of next season after we find out what we made and take that amount from our profits so It doesn't affect what we have done so far? I f we can do it now why cant we do it next season and not affect anything this season. Am I missing something?

[brwnbear]

This game requires planning and decision making for the future.

Removing this money is basically like one of us playing NCAA 12, being up 28-7 in the third quarter, we're avoiding running up the score so we're calling plays conservative, and suddenly in the fourth quarter the screen goes blank for a second and when it comes back on you're losing 42-28 and there isn't any time to adjust before it's "Game over man, game over."

Like I said, if you think it makes a difference and trendon agrees, we can drop the singing you feel are not price right into the FA pool. From there anyone can have a shot at them again. But I am not going to ask him to renegotiate all signed contracts for everyone in this league since we have no way of definitely knowing the actual price given the changes in timing and as money began to dry up.

[brwnbear]

I wont pretend to know much about this game but I signed a guy due to one thing or another. I signed him because I wanted him. Not to throw him back in some pool to compete with others. Cant we come up with a solution to do this at the start of next season after we find out what we made and take that amount from our profits so It doesn't affect what we have done so far? I f we can do it now why cant we do it next season and not affect anything this season. Am I missing something?

We cant delay the fix as it will just make everything a bigger and worse correction for the entire league. We either fix the problem now, or allow teams to have budgets that eventually reach 2-3 times the size of others.

You can keep the guys you signed. I am only offering a solution to drop them if you feel like it.

[trendon]

Honestly, at this point, I am just willing to keep paying everyone out of my own team's pocket and just be fucked until 2023 or whatever. I honestly thought this thread would turn out to be everyone laughing at me or telling me I have to give up my last two free agent signings.

[Knapp]

I wont pretend to know much about this game but I signed a guy due to one thing or another. I signed him because I wanted him. Not to throw him back in some pool to compete with others. Cant we come up with a solution to do this at the start of next season after we find out what we made and take that amount from our profits so It doesn't affect what we have done so far? I f we can do it now why cant we do it next season and not affect anything this season. Am I missing something?

I'm trying to catch up on all the shit that's going down, but alot of it's going over my head. What I DO know, is that this has fucked everyone, in one way or another....even us guys that are getting money back. I've been in the RED, the entire offseason and I have dumped alot of players that I didn't want to get rid of, to try to get in the BLACK. Who knows how many guys I could have hung onto, if I had had the correct media revenue. And then, just to screw me worse, I didn't understand that we were running everyday sims during the offseason and missed the arbitration process....and I certainly wouldn't have paid out $100 in arbitration bonuses, like my team did, on it's own!

I'm not going to pretend that I understand all that bear and trendon are saying here, but I don't think I'm for waiting until next season to straighten it out. Our Commishes have come up with a plan. They thought it out well, and in a short timeframe. They don't feel it will screw people as bad as it could. I say trust them and each of us will have to deal with whatever financial complications we have...

[brwnbear]

I wont pretend to know much about this game but I signed a guy due to one thing or another. I signed him because I wanted him. Not to throw him back in some pool to compete with others. Cant we come up with a solution to do this at the start of next season after we find out what we made and take that amount from our profits so It doesn't affect what we have done so far? I f we can do it now why cant we do it next season and not affect anything this season. Am I missing something?

I'm trying to catch up on all the shit that's going down, but alot of it's going over my head. What I DO know, is that this has fucked everyone, in one way or another....even us guys that are getting money back. I've been in the RED, the entire offseason and I have dumped alot of players that I didn't want to get rid of, to try to get in the BLACK. Who knows how many guys I could have hung onto, if I had had the correct media revenue. And then, just to screw me worse, I didn't understand that we were running everyday sims during the offseason and missed the arbitration process....and I certainly wouldn't have paid out $100 in arbitration bonuses, like my team did, on it's own!

I'm not going to pretend that I understand all that bear and trendon are saying here, but I don't think I'm for waiting until next season to straighten it out. Our Commishes have come up with a plan. They thought it out well, and in a short timeframe. They don't feel it will screw people as bad as it could. I say trust them and each of us will have to deal with whatever financial complications we have...

Knapp probably got screwed the worse. Its part of the reason we are making the changes now.

[trendon]

Knapp probably got screwed the worse. Its part of the reason we are making the changes now.

Not true. He received $5m more from media than he should have in the first place. Now he gets another $10m on top of that. He benefits the most.

[shel311]

Knapp probably got screwed the worse

You and Trendon are so out of sync on this topic.

Honestly, though, the only teams that screwed themselves are a CPU team and the team that has the GM that overlooked the issue. You guys are fine, I truly don't see the alarm.

I'm gonna just Trendon, and go with it. I say we all do!!!


Let's get this season started!

[trendon]

The only one coming out of this mess without money is New York ... and everyone else is up in arms. Color me confused.