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[DRiccio21]

but I will say that on many things, I feel the same way that Sanders does.

MOST PEOPLE DO !!!

it literally scares the fuck out of me. in my entire life i've had a 'don't talk politics/don't talk religion' policy. and while i'm not really trying to get into a political debate as much as i am trying to understand how people could think that way, its got me riled up enough to at least speak up not only here but to others in my world who support the guy.

the only thing i can think of is that our generation is so entitled and comfortable at this point that the drive to be great is overcome by the need to be comfortable. and i don't mean that as a knock on anyone who supports him, but i really don't think people understand the ramifications of supporting that type of belief.

when societies get older/more mature they lose the passion to be great because things are 'easier' for them. the same way a 2nd or 3rd generation american probably isn't as motivated to take risk/grow as our ancestors who came over here with (mostly) nothing were willing to risk their lives for an opportunity. our generation now is PETRIFIED of risk. when i talk to my friends/younger clients about risk they basically universally are petrified of it, they don't want it, they just want to be 'safe'. It's a societal change that is discouraging to me. we need innovators and risk takers and people who want to be better. thats how jobs are created, thats how families achieve a better future generation than the past and thats how innovative new businesses start.

but its not a static choice. once you take that choice to downplay capitalism and free markets, you begin to get overtaken by other countries or groups with more passion that is willing to take on risk. just like a disruptive and innovative business overtakes an older slower growing one. so by deciding we want this type of guy in charge we're basically giving up on being great. maybe thats a bit of hyperbole to some, but i truly believe it. if you want to understand more on the concept of this, you can watch any speech by Clay Christensen about the topic of disruptive innovation and just equate it to our society and economy.

[Seeitsaveit13]

I also clicked on more options and there were many more choices.

I am not saying I will vote for him, at this point, not sure who I like the most, but I will say that on many things, I feel the same way that Sanders does.

I was the lowest with him. I actually was higher with Hilldawg. vomit.

[cougnix]

I unfortunately got Trump as my top pick. 79% though. I feel that this is the worst pool of candidates in my(our) lifetimes. I covered a teacher the other day and for their civics class they were watching the CNBC Republican Debate and I couldn't believe what I was watching. I hate politics, can't stand the rhetoric, hate the talking heads...I hope the people pick a good one for us...

[Crowes]

but I will say that on many things, I feel the same way that Sanders does.

MOST PEOPLE DO !!!

it literally scares the fuck out of me. in my entire life i've had a 'don't talk politics/don't talk religion' policy. and while i'm not really trying to get into a political debate as much as i am trying to understand how people could think that way, its got me riled up enough to at least speak up not only here but to others in my world who support the guy.

the only thing i can think of is that our generation is so entitled and comfortable at this point that the drive to be great is overcome by the need to be comfortable. and i don't mean that as a knock on anyone who supports him, but i really don't think people understand the ramifications of supporting that type of belief.

when societies get older/more mature they lose the passion to be great because things are 'easier' for them. the same way a 2nd or 3rd generation american probably isn't as motivated to take risk/grow as our ancestors who came over here with (mostly) nothing were willing to risk their lives for an opportunity. our generation now is PETRIFIED of risk. when i talk to my friends/younger clients about risk they basically universally are petrified of it, they don't want it, they just want to be 'safe'. It's a societal change that is discouraging to me. we need innovators and risk takers and people who want to be better. thats how jobs are created, thats how families achieve a better future generation than the past and thats how innovative new businesses start.

but its not a static choice. once you take that choice to downplay capitalism and free markets, you begin to get overtaken by other countries or groups with more passion that is willing to take on risk. just like a disruptive and innovative business overtakes an older slower growing one. so by deciding we want this type of guy in charge we're basically giving up on being great. maybe thats a bit of hyperbole to some, but i truly believe it. if you want to understand more on the concept of this, you can watch any speech by Clay Christensen about the topic of disruptive innovation and just equate it to our society and economy.

But what has Bernie said that makes u think his ideas will lead to the downfall of our society and capitalism? Our county got to where it is today through the balancing act between socialism and capitalism. From what I see looking at our government the #1 priority should be the overturning of Citizen United decision which IMO has tipped the scales to far for whom our elected officials work for and that would go a long way in fixing the disfunction that is government today.

[shel311]

That's what I'm wondering. Not cause I disagree with anything Dave said, but mainly cause I'm totally ignorant on the topic.

[GeorgesGoons]

But what has Bernie said that make u think his ideas will lead to the downfall of our society

I think the biggest problem with Bernie is that he is promising a lot of things to people on the backs of good hard working Americans. I'm not completely against social programs, but there needs to be a limit to them. You shouldn't keep getting extra money because you are now having your 8th kid. There should be a set amount of money you get. Educational assistance, job placement assistance and day care should be provided for these people so they can help themselves out of poverty. But the social programs shouldn't be open ended like they are now.

He wants all of his programs paid for by the rich. Why should they have to be burdened with all the load of providing for these services. So as it stands right now, and even more so in the future if Bernie is elected, there is no incentive to get out of poverty and provide for yourself. You'll have the rich do that and you can just sit home and collect a check. That is what is wrong America, too many people with open hands looking for something for nothing.

[Crowes]

But what has Bernie said that make u think his ideas will lead to the downfall of our society

I think the biggest problem with Bernie is that he is promising a lot of things to people on the backs of good hard working Americans. I'm not completely against social programs, but there needs to be a limit to them. You shouldn't keep getting extra money because you are now having your 8th kid. There should be a set amount of money you get. Educational assistance, job placement assistance and day care should be provided for these people so they can help themselves out of poverty. But the social programs shouldn't be open ended like they are now.

He wants all of his programs paid for by the rich. Why should they have to be burdened with all the load of providing for these services. So as it stands right now, and even more so in the future if Bernie is elected, there is no incentive to get out of poverty and provide for yourself. You'll have the rich do that and you can just sit home and collect a check. That is what is wrong America, too many people with open hands looking for something for nothing.

I'm not saying that their aren't people taking advantage of the programs and some reform is needed but every statistic I can find puts those people in a tiny minority of people who receive some type of government assistance and to blame them for the problems doesnt add up to me

[GeorgesGoons]

But what has Bernie said that make u think his ideas will lead to the downfall of our society

I think the biggest problem with Bernie is that he is promising a lot of things to people on the backs of good hard working Americans. I'm not completely against social programs, but there needs to be a limit to them. You shouldn't keep getting extra money because you are now having your 8th kid. There should be a set amount of money you get. Educational assistance, job placement assistance and day care should be provided for these people so they can help themselves out of poverty. But the social programs shouldn't be open ended like they are now.

He wants all of his programs paid for by the rich. Why should they have to be burdened with all the load of providing for these services. So as it stands right now, and even more so in the future if Bernie is elected, there is no incentive to get out of poverty and provide for yourself. You'll have the rich do that and you can just sit home and collect a check. That is what is wrong America, too many people with open hands looking for something for nothing.

I'm not saying that their aren't people taking advantage of the programs and some reform is needed but every statistic I can find puts those people in a tiny minority of people who receive some type of government assistance and to blame them for the problems doesnt add up to me

Can you share those statistics? I'm curious what they show as well.

[Crowes]

Can you share those statistics? I'm curious what they show as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... ix-charts/

I know that article is a few years old but I dont believe the numbers have changed much. Only 9% of people fall into the category of "lazy" dont have job type of welfare recipient. Also welfare is a broad term. What is welfare? Earned income tax credit, WIC, Foodstamps, Unemployment, tax write offs? Do we lump them all together? The majority of people on the different types of welfare minus the young, disabled, and elderly have jobs and pay taxes.

If you have stats that paint a different picture please post them as well. The more information the better!

[Weasel]

. when i talk to my friends/younger clients about risk they basically universally are petrified of it, they don't want it, they just want to be 'safe'.

Ha, guilty as fuck

[Uuaww]

met my first ever NDLer today. Met Pino for a bite and a beer. Very nice guy. The juicy dirt he had some his time with corey though was beautiful.

[DRiccio21]

nice!

Luis is a great dude. he must have the most NDL'ers met by a landslide

[Seeitsaveit13]

nice!

Luis is a great dude. he must have the most NDL'ers met by a landslide

No doubt. He's a whore when it comes to ndl meet ups

[texasfan4444]

Guilty as charged. Haha!

Good to meet Ted and for the most part everyone else as well. Other than that Nole guy that just keeps passing out and requires to be carried to the car and such.

At least I can make it back to room to pass out.....eventually.

[texasfan4444]

Also another World of Beer to crossed off my list.

[autiger730]

Yeah, democratic socialism, criminal justice reform, campaign funding reform, and dialing back our military involvements are fucking terrifying.... http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/travel/pr ... ndex-2015/

[The_Niddler]

nice!

Luis is a great dude. he must have the most NDL'ers met by a landslide

No doubt. He's a whore when it comes to ndl meet ups

No doubt, but as others stated, hell of a dude.

[cougnix]

We had a really good Veteran's Day Assembly today. Usually they thrown together and not very good, but this was a good one.

For you Veteran's in here, just a thank you for all you do and have done. (I know it's a day early)

[GeorgesGoons]

(I know it's a day early)

It is the Marine Corps birthday today. So happy birthday and Semper Fidelis to our leathernecks.

[Uuaww]

So had a fun car buying experience this week. I was looking for a new car b/c mine was a money pit lemon. Decided on a Nissan Versa Note because it's compact and cheap (I have to parallel park a ton). The Honda Fit was up there but just a bit out of range for what I wanted to spend.

Get a call from a Chevy dealer who I had talked to once that they have a 2014 Versa with 44k miles for sale. I go down to see it. Drives great, no issues I go in to buy it. It was listed at $9995. Two things I noticed was that it had bluetooth (and this wasn't mentioned in the ad) and it was an automatic instead of manual (figured a typo in the ad). I go and negotiate... they offer me $2500 for my PoS and accept it. After taxes, fees, blah. Was looking at about $9100. Said I wanted $8500 and they countered with $8700. Deal.

Start writing it up, go home and am pressing the buttons on the dash and it shows the odometer at 39k miles. I get home and check the VIN on my paperwork... sure enough, different then the VIN on my car.

Talked to corey that night, gave me links, called them up first thing the next morning and they asked me to come down to resign paperwork and fix the error. I walk in and the salesman tells me I test drove the wrong car, I didn't really purchase the right one, etc. I raise my voice with the words "bait and switch" and he apologizes and says I can simply test drive the other car and pick which one I like better. I decline and he walks away. Comes back a few minutes later, apologizes and says he will get the paperwork started on the right car and get me on my way.

Finally walk out with the right paperwork to my car an hour later.

This morning my car is listed on their website today... $12888.