Realignment Poll

[The_Niddler]

I plan on doing rollover quickly Saturday morning so we need to get this decided today. Still 13 votes unaccounted for. Try to reach out to guys who you think have probably not voted.

Still 13 votes unaccounted for because your options suck. Not being a dick, being honest. This is why I never voted.

I told you my piece.
Either go to 1 division per league (AL,NL) or leave it the way it is now.
I am still waiting to hear how 2 divisions per league will help over what we have today?

If you are going to have 2, you might as well leave it how it is now and just take the top 6 or 8 from each league for the playoffs.
But if you are going to do that, you might as well have 1 division since more than 1 won't mean anything.

[The_Niddler]

... 1 division per league. Take the top 8 teams in the AL and give #1 and #2 a bye the first round. Do the same in the NL

Seems the best way to avoid our current predicament and ensuring the best seeding scenarios. AL/NL or EAST/WEST whatever you want to call them

Yes, I meant 6.

I mean, if it is the playoff seeding that is the main issue and guys have a problem with a 79 win team making it in over an 89 win team just because the 79 win team won their division, then you really have 2 options.

1. Leave the divisions alone, just for the sake of having divisions, but when playoff time comes, you take the top 6 AL teams and the top 6 NL teams and rank them.

2. Have 1 big division per league and the top 6 from each division make it into the playoffs with the top 2 getting a bye.

[DRWebs]

With all that being said, couldn't the issue still arise with just the 1 division per league? Top two in AL could be 115, 90 and NL could have 115, 110, 100

[The_Niddler]

With all that being said, couldn't the issue still arise with just the 1 division per league? Top two in AL could be 115, 90 and NL could have 115, 110, 100

You are always going to have an issue between divisions. I don't think anyone ever wanted to argue that point.
If they did and we do 1 division for the entire league, I am out.

[Seeitsaveit13]

I thought I would have been one of the lone decenters here with the two options that were given for divisions.

Yea, I figured this one would be a no brainer to get through.

It's probably the closest vote we've ever had the entire way through.

Definitely not getting to 2/3

[shel311]

With all that being said, couldn't the issue still arise with just the 1 division per league? Top two in AL could be 115, 90 and NL could have 115, 110, 100

You are always going to have an issue between divisions. I don't think anyone ever wanted to argue that point.
If they did and we do 1 division for the entire league, I am out.

But you argued for a concept that could still have the same issues as Billy's idea, that you bashed.

[shel311]

I thought I would have been one of the lone decenters here with the two options that were given for divisions.

Yea, I figured this one would be a no brainer to get through.

It's probably the closest vote we've ever had the entire way through.

Definitely not getting to 2/3

Definitely doesn't need 2/3.

I know this cause I read the first post.

[wdoupis]

There is no particular issue for realignment and I have tried to tell you this. It is just proposed because its been 11 seasons and we said we ask every 10. There is nothing wrong with the league or how we do it. It is simply do you think it would be good for the league and add some excitement like it did last time.

Seeding has never been brought up as an issue really. The main purpose of the 2 divisions is to award the byes to winners of both divisions. The main advantage of this is if the AL East says they have a harder schedule because they play Boston/Sheltown 19 times and I play them 7 times then going to two divisions just makes everyones schedule closer to equal. That is the main takeaway that I think is improved. Teams would be closer to playing equal schedules.

At the end of the day it is just about shifting things around and bringing new excitement. We do not need any huge drastic changes because the league is in a great place. If you don't like the options vote no, its pretty simple

[wdoupis]

Still 13 votes unaccounted for because your options suck. Not being a dick, being honest. This is why I never voted.

The only terrible option that was proposed was yours. Not being a dick, being honest

[Cnasty]

At the end of the day it is just about shifting things around and bringing new excitement. We do not need any huge drastic changes because the league is in a great place. If you don't like the options vote no, its pretty simple

Nailed it.

[The_Niddler]

Still 13 votes unaccounted for because your options suck. Not being a dick, being honest. This is why I never voted.

The only terrible option that was proposed was yours. Not being a dick, being honest

I don't take it as you being a dick. Everyone has their own opinion.

I just don't understand how you state, in the first post, just vote on if you want to realign or not and we will vote on structure later, but here are your 2 options for structure.
Why can't we just vote on realignment and then if it is a yes, we can then figure out what our options should be to vote on for the structure?
Why is this a dictatorship when it comes to the structure of the league?

[DRWebs]

What did we do last time, random draft order for top 12 teams and then random order for the remaining 18?

[shel311]

What did we do last time, random draft order for top 12 teams and then random order for the remaining 18?

Can't remember how exactly we did the top 12.

But the other 18 was randomized with a draft.

[GeorgesGoons]

With all that being said, couldn't the issue still arise with just the 1 division per league? Top two in AL could be 115, 90 and NL could have 115, 110, 100

Apples and oranges, kinda

One division per. The top two get byes in each league. If this I am down for it. If not keep the same and have people draft for what division they want in

[The_Niddler]

One division per. The top two get byes in each league. If this I am down for it. If not keep the same and have people draft for what division they want in

I agree with this.
One of these 2 options is the best, imo.

Billy, What are your thoughts?
I am guessing if you redid the poll, results would be different if you gave them either better options for the realignment or no options and we truly vote on it afterwards.

[The_Niddler]

I also wish our polls had the ability to not view results at all.
I feel like some people get swayed based on the results and do not vote how they really feel.

[wdoupis]

The keep as is and draft their division is already what option 1 is in this poll.

I can not tell you guys enough the point of this is to add some excitement and make schedules a little more balanced without making major changes that are not needed.

If you like option one and want to vote yes then vote option 1 if it passes. If you despise option 2 so much that you’d rather not change anything vote no.

[Cnasty]

Why is this a dictatorship when it comes to the structure of the league?

I think you need to take a deep breath and maybe go hang with your other league for a while.

If you feel this is a dictatorship when he is asking for feedback and guys are discussing options you may not understand what the meaning of that term is.

As a former commish i would expect you to understand how hard it is to navigate 30 owners with possibly 30 different opinions of what the structure and realignment looks like. It is the commish's job to lay out a couple options that is best for the betterment of the league and not certain individuals.

Both options are very fair including leaving our current structure but just shaking up the members.

And again, if you dont want to realign a simple no will work.

Your redundant comments of "my other league does this!" in multiple threads, multiple times goes to show how far you are removed from how good we have it here and possibly the best league out there in the OOTP world.

No one cares about your other league.

Not being a dick, just being honest.

[GeorgesGoons]

The keep as is and draft their division is already what option 1 is in this poll.

I can not tell you guys enough the point of this is to add some excitement and make schedules a little more balanced without making major changes that are not needed.

If you like option one and want to vote yes then vote option 1 if it passes. If you despise option 2 so much that you’d rather not change anything vote no.

I agree with what JD said. Probably should have just went with a realignment vote with no option on what we would go to. And then get some input on what it should look like (I think you have plenty to go off of from this thread) and put it to a vote.

[wdoupis]

If you put a poll that has “No” with options you just guarantee it is a no. If there are 10 no votes and 14 yes but the yes votes are split up then No automatically wins.

We don’t want major changes to a great league so I explained what realignment would look like so that you know and can vote yes or no and it’s a fair vote. If yes wins we vote on options that were laid out.

Major changes to the league are not needed or wanted by a large majority of the owners so I laid out simple ones that have been talked about many times before and that are not large changes and could add some excitement and improve the scheduling, that’s it