And THIS Is Why ***ALL*** Cops Are Bad

[trendon]

can you post a guide for how to act when you're pulled over that will give you the best chance at getting a warning, if in fact you're in the wrong?

Thank you kindly.

Again its still going to be different officers and different kinds of people your dealing with so it wont work all the time. We have a female officer in our department who is notorious for writing a ticket for every violation she sees and makes no exceptions. She writes 10 or more a day. So if she stops you nothing I tell you will help .

1. Be polite (its refreshing for the officer when someone is polite to them).

2. Give an honest answer (I hate the BS stories that I get everytime).

3. Dont argue if you know you were wrong (if you dont think you were then I would never say just do that but if you know its legit dont argue just to argue).

4. Dont make it personnal (its not like the officer knows you and was waiting to catch you that day because they dont like you).

I cant say you will get out of every ticket but you have a better chance this way. Im not a big ticket writer so these things go along way with me. Some officers will write it anyway just because they want to look like they are doing thier job and they need to stay productive. Also you gotta realize sometimes we are working certain areas where the DOT or public have expressed concerns (usually for speeding) and so an officer will get sent there and told you will write tickets for anyone going over the speed limit in this area (usually a set speed limit like 10 mph over in an area like this will get you a ticket no matter what because the officer has too). Hope this helps.

Agreed. Just remember one thing; the cop is not the judge. His job is to figure shit out, assess the situation, and citate or arrest at his judgment. Negotiating with him is pointless unlss you are a really hot girl or have some nice cards to show him with badges on it. Also, as WJ sorta pointed out, "concerns" means "revenue". The cop may think he is saving lives, but all he is told is to make money. They are salesmen, and I don't mean that in a bad way. Write a lot of tickets, make your superior's jobs easier, get that promotion.

And, if you ever want to see me go REALLY nuts, get me started on the DOT and NTSCB. Their corruption makes the enforcement branch of our governmental tree look like puppy dogs and ice cream/

Edit: Also, if you do have a card from a friend, it is useless unless his cell phone number is on the back. True story: I could have had a third DWI five years ago. I refued everything (as you should if you are drunk) and showed him my friend's card. Cop went back to the car and came back.

"Rich says you deserve an arrest and he will speak with you."

And he did speak with. The first words out of his mouth. "I asked the officer if you were playing ball and he said you were. If you weren't, I would have told him to bring you in."

Remember, sometimes that Blue Wall can help you.

[WJ5811]

Here Ill give you an example of how both would go (real examples that have happened).

Northside Stop:

Officer - How you doing today?

Driver - Okay...what did I do?

Officer - Well you didnt use your turn signal back there and kinda cut that other car off...does your turn signal work?

Driver - Oh yes, I must have forgot or wasnt paying attention...and I didnt see that car?

Officer - Okay well Im going to write you a warning ticket for the turn signal and try to pay more attention next time so we dont have an accident.

Driver - Okay officer, thank you.

Officer - Okay, your free to go have a good day.

Eastside Stop:

Officer - How you doing today?

Driver - What the fuck you pull me over for...you motherfuckers are always harrassing a motherfucker.

Officer - Well apparently either your turn signal doesnt work or you dont know how to use it because you cut over in front of that car without signaling.

Driver - Oh what the fuck ever man...its just any excuse for you isnt it...any reason to pull over a motherfucker and thats it right?

Officer - Nope just violations of the vehicle code not excuses...but Ill prove that to you cause Im going to write down the sections of the vehicle code here on your tickets...I also see your not wearing your seatbelt either...it would sure break my heart if you got into an accident and something happened because you didnt have that on...Ill have to give you a ticket for that too to remind you about saftey.

Driver - Do what ever the fuck you want cause your just gonna do it anyway.

Officer -(after tickets are issued) you are free to go... watch for traffic when you pull away.

Driver - I know how to drive I dont have to watch for traffic I have to watch for you motherfuckers.

Officer - Okay then...use that turn signal when you pull away so you dont get another ticket.

Driver - Fuck you

Same violations but different examples how how to deal with different people.

Both of these people are fucking idiots, one being ruder than the other. There are only a few things you should ever say to an officer whether it is for a traffic violation or genocide investigation.

1. Hello, officer.
2. Yes, sir, I have my identification
3. Am I free to go, officer?
4. Goodbye, officer. Thank you.

There is nothing else. People seem to think that the cop's job is negotiate with him. No, he is to citate, detain, and arrest people. Occasionally, they write a police report so the insurance company will believe your side of the story. THAT IS IT.

How to handle a traffic stop, Trendon style.

1a. Pull over in a way the cop won't get killed, turn on your dome light, shut off the engine, roll your window down (see 1b), put your hands on top of the steering wheel and turn your palms upward. They don't want to die and you could be a maniac. I had one cocksucking faggot cop come over and immediately say, "I see you've done this before." Fuck him.

1b. Roll your window down only a crack; just enough to speak with him and hand him your particulars. Otherwise, he WILL poke his head in and start looking around. Contraband is only contraband if he sees it and you just invited him into your car if you leave the window open. More than like, he will ask for you to lower the window further and immediately comply. Say nothing.

2a. As soon as he is done looking things over, immediately ask why you are being pulled over. DO NOT LET HIM START THE CONVERSATION. These guys are trained to play trap games where they lead the conversation. Ask if you are free to go. He won't answer you, instead choosing to gather information (THEIR FUCKING JOB!) by asking some form of "do you know why..." or "I pulled you over because..." Do not answer.

2b. SAY NOTHING. "I don't know" is a completely valid answer. Asking HIM a question is valid. Staring blankly at the officer is also OK ... this isn't your mom or the judge, you can NOT answer.

2c. Why? Remember the Miranda Right? "everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you" Against you. Not for you. That's not the cop's job. If you try and bring the cop on the stand to help you, the prosecutor will immediately stand up in his shitty suit and say, "Objection, heresay." And it is.

3. The cop has made up his mind on whether or not he is ticketing you. Let him decide on his own, don't help him. Depositions include everything you say and do. Do and say as little as possible. Thank him for his time and move on.

4. If he asks you to step out of the vehicle, take the keys out of the ignition, roll up the window, open the door, lock the door, and close the door. He will quiz you on this. Say it is force of habit. If you leave the door open, it is another invite. IMMEDIATELY ask (politely) if you are free to go, officer.

5. the key to dealing with cops is to either ask them a question before they can at every turn. Do it politely. If you let them get rolling, you will start answering questions with no right answers.

6. Take your ticket, if applicable and go to court. Know that you have given yourself the best possible chance in court because you didn't say anything that can be used against you. Also, by not saying ANYTHING, you reduced the chance you will get implicated in some nearby crime that you didn't commit. "Where are you going/ coming from?" is the worst fucking question on earth. You can implicate yourself for a crime you didn't commit just because you were near it. If the cops don't have any leads, you become the main suspect ... all for a fucking taillight being out.

Listen to Trendon.

Definatly one way to go. However I would look further into why you were being so evasive during this top. You can say you wernt but just the actions and way you try to distance yourself from contact with the officer is going to GIVE the officer more room to play with. The way you describe is not how most people act during stops so when the officer goes to court he will say "During my training and expirence I noticed that Mr. Trendon was acting strange and not like most people do when stopped by the police". I would call a K-9 over for sure on this stop and definatly get into questioning you more and your passengers to see what the story was and if they matched. All are legal to do. And I only have enough time to delay you on a stop for the violation until you give some probable cause and when you act strange on stops like this it gives probable casue that something else is going on with this guy and I need to look into it further.

[trendon]

Definatly one way to go. However I would look further into why you were being so evasive during this top. You can say you wernt but just the actions and way you try to distance yourself from contact with the officer is going to GIVE the officer more room to play with. The way you describe is not how most people act during stops so when the officer goes to court he will say "During my training and expirence I noticed that Mr. Trendon was acting strange and not like most people do when stopped by the police". I would call a K-9 over for sure on this stop and definatly get into questioning you more and your passengers to see what the story was and if they matched. All are legal to do. And I only have enough time to delay you on a stop for the violation until you give some probable cause and when you act strange on stops like this it gives probable casue that something else is going on with this guy and I need to look into it further.

You know what is funny about all of that? That is textbook. I am just exercising my rights and resisting any attempts at a search.

If I leave my window open or my car door open with me out of it ... you are allowed to poke your nose in or even sit down. I have nothing to say in court.

I learned this lesson early on in my life. I had a party at my house and I opened the door to greet the officers. They saw something and just walked right in. I couldn't stop them. However, if I opened the door and then shut it behind me, talking with them on the porch, they'd have needed a warrant to come in. It is a lesson that saved my ass - and the asses of my friends - many times since then.

I get what you are saying, but you don't find it strange that by protecting myself, I am ruining myself?

1. Leave constant opportunities for officer to explore my car and be open with information: get searched and possibly arrested.

2. Leave NO opportunity for officer to explore my car and be give only pertinent information: get searched and possibly arrested.

Lovely. I'll take #2, though. I won't help him on my way to a hassle, fine, evidence planting or jail ... even if there truly is nothing in the car.

At least with #2, you stand a chance in court, especially if you are recording the situation, another recommendation by me. Most state wiretapping laws only require that one party be privy to the fact the event is being taped. Conveniently, that one party can be you. The laws are meant to keep you from spying.

By the way, don't tell the cop you are recording. That whole "if you aren't doing anything wrong, so why do you not like surveillance" thing only works on civilians. Cops don't like being taped and will beat you, arrest you, fabricate charges, or break recording device if you let them know you are.

Remember these words when dealing with a cop: "Stand a chance in court." It is what you need to protect. As WJ said, he will come in and claim shiftiness. This can be explained to the judge. You CANNOT explain a search when you basically ALLOWED the cop in.

Look, everyone, listen to Trendon. I want to keep you out of trouble and make the cop go away from you to terrorize some other citizen. I might greatly dislike cops, but I know their job and how they go about it. I have so many PBA cards and family cards it is absurd.

P.S. You should see my family get-to-gethers with all the fucking cops in my family.

[WJ5811]

Definatly one way to go. However I would look further into why you were being so evasive during this top. You can say you wernt but just the actions and way you try to distance yourself from contact with the officer is going to GIVE the officer more room to play with. The way you describe is not how most people act during stops so when the officer goes to court he will say "During my training and expirence I noticed that Mr. Trendon was acting strange and not like most people do when stopped by the police". I would call a K-9 over for sure on this stop and definatly get into questioning you more and your passengers to see what the story was and if they matched. All are legal to do. And I only have enough time to delay you on a stop for the violation until you give some probable cause and when you act strange on stops like this it gives probable casue that something else is going on with this guy and I need to look into it further.

You know what is funny about all of that? That is textbook. I am just exercising my rights and resisting any attempts at a search.

If I leave my window open or my car door open with me out of it ... you are allowed to poke your nose in or even sit down. I have nothing to say in court.

I learned this lesson early on in my life. I had a party at my house and I opened the door to greet the officers. They saw something and just walked right in. I couldn't stop them. However, if I opened the door and then shut it behind me, talking with them on the porch, they'd have needed a warrant to come in. It is a lesson that saved my ass - and the asses of my friends - many times since then.

I get what you are saying, but you don't find it strange that by protecting myself, I am ruining myself?

1. Leave constant opportunities for officer to explore my car and be open with information: get searched and possibly arrested.

2. Leave NO opportunity for officer to explore my car and be give only pertinent information: get searched and possibly arrested.

Lovely. I'll take #2, though. I won't help him on my way to a hassle, fine, evidence planting or jail ... even if there truly is nothing in the car.

At least with #2, you stand a chance in court, especially if you are recording the situation, another recommendation by me. Most state wiretapping laws only require that one party be privy to the fact the event is being taped. Conveniently, that one party can be you. The laws are meant to keep you from spying.

By the way, don't tell the cop you are recording. That whole "if you aren't doing anything wrong, so why do you not like surveillance" thing only works on civilians. Cops don't like being taped and will beat you, arrest you, fabricate charges, or break recording device if you let them know you are.

Remember these words when dealing with a cop: "Stand a chance in court." It is what you need to protect. As WJ said, he will come in and claim shiftiness. This can be explained to the judge. You CANNOT explain a search when you basically ALLOWED the cop in.

Look, everyone, listen to Trendon. I want to keep you out of trouble and make the cop go away from you to terrorize some other citizen. I might greatly dislike cops, but I know their job and how they go about it. I have so many PBA cards and family cards it is absurd.

P.S. You should see my family get-to-gethers with all the fucking cops in my family.

Whats funny about your post is the underlining message that you engage in illegal activity. The fact a cop saw something in your house in plan view so he got to come in is right. Also you want to excercise your rights on traffic stops to minimize the chance of a cop searching also says you have something illegal to hide from the police. Maybe I was misunderstood here in my earlier posts. i wasnt trying to tell any criminals how to evaid detection from the police. I was trying to help you LAW ABIDING CITIZENS understand the police's actions and tell you better ways to interact with them to avoid citations. Im not here trying to debate the easiest way to not get caught conducting criminal activity. I was just trying to help out the normal everyday working man who was late to work.

[trendon]

Maybe I was misunderstood here in my earlier posts. i wasnt trying to tell any criminals how to evaid detection from the police. I was trying to help you LAW ABIDING CITIZENS understand the police's actions and tell you better ways to interact with them to avoid citations.

I am a civilian, I try and do both when speaking about our rights; help the guilty and the innocent. I've been arrested and imprisoned a lot in my life (no more, though) and I can't complain about the way the cops treated me, but I like to think some of that had to do with the fact that I knew how to treat them and deal with them. I've been questioned by homeland security while on house arrest, on traffic stops, and in creepy-ass, dimly-lit rooms just like the movies; been arraigned in a train parking lot, courtroom, and in my own home; and questioned by police of every level excepting captain ... I know how to handle them probably better than you because not only have I been detained while being innocent, sorta innocent (knowledge of a situation), and guilty, but I have a legion of family and friends that are police. And believe me, I talk to them the same as I talk to you.

So, I speak to both dealing with a cop when innocent and how to avoid detection when guilty. Conveniently, they are the same procedures.

But, as you read what I write, you see that I believe the lines between innocent and guilty are blurred beyond belief. I have some nice videos/articles of cops planting stuff, want to see those?

Odds of it happening? Slim, slimmer and none. Problems incurred should you be unlucky enough to win that sort of lottery? Catastrophic.

[WJ5811]

Since we are busting out videos here is a few on the flip side of the coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jflbd0x2UE

Look at the responses under this one. Alot of people out there would kill the police if given a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvlUcPmayPQ

Look at all the people that walk by and drive by watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbyFnrtUtJQ

This cop sure is lucky..hell he runs away from the fight but the guy chases him down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ-KW7icz_w

This one too...this guy isnt even trying to get away but is out to beat the cop.

Not looking to start a video war here but just wanted to say there are always two sides to the coin. I wish I could show you the video of where a Deputy is murdered because he was scared to act to soon. He had been diciplined by his department the week before for using to much force on an arrest and told to give more verbal commands. During a stop a week later he continues to give verbal commands and not act as a man gets his gun out of the truck and guns the officer down. When asked later the man said in an interview "I did it because the officer let me do it and didnt try and stop me". Also after the Oklahoma City bombing Timothy McVey was stopped for a minor traffic stop of expired registration. The officer noticed something else was up with McVey and eventually he arrested him that day. Later during an interview McVey was asked why he didnt fight with the officer or try to shoot him to get away (McVey was armed when he was arrested) and he reponded " The officer seemed squared away and alert...he took charge right away and I didnt think I would be able to get the drop on him". Just sharing some other points of view take it for what its worth.

[packsyD22]

I have gotten 2 speeding tickets and been very kind....still got um though .....to bad i didnt have some T & A to flash the guy with.

[trendon]

Since we are busting out videos here is a few on the flip side of the coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jflbd0x2UE

Look at the responses under this one. Alot of people out there would kill the police if given a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvlUcPmayPQ

Look at all the people that walk by and drive by watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbyFnrtUtJQ

This cop sure is lucky..hell he runs away from the fight but the guy chases him down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ-KW7icz_w

This one too...this guy isnt even trying to get away but is out to beat the cop.

Not looking to start a video war here but just wanted to say there are always two sides to the coin. I wish I could show you the video of where a Deputy is murdered because he was scared to act to soon. He had been diciplined by his department the week before for using to much force on an arrest and told to give more verbal commands. During a stop a week later he continues to give verbal commands and not act as a man gets his gun out of the truck and guns the officer down. When asked later the man said in an interview "I did it because the officer let me do it and didnt try and stop me". Also after the Oklahoma City bombing Timothy McVey was stopped for a minor traffic stop of expired registration. The officer noticed something else was up with McVey and eventually he arrested him that day. Later during an interview McVey was asked why he didnt fight with the officer or try to shoot him to get away (McVey was armed when he was arrested) and he reponded " The officer seemed squared away and alert...he took charge right away and I didnt think I would be able to get the drop on him". Just sharing some other points of view take it for what its worth.

That second video, the cop showed amazing restraint considering what he was up against. Did not watch the fourth.

And I understand all of this and you can see that by how I never complain about cops until the cover-up. Have you been reading my posts or do you ignore them because you assume I am being ridiculous as many do? I go apeshit over the cover-up, not the act so much. See that video that started this whole thread? I knew about it already and was pissed. Now, though, I am furious after I find out he is getting his job back.

People make fucked up mistakes and sometimes it is a cop. He needs to be punished as severely as anyone else, if not moreso.

What you will always see me complain about

1. The fucking taser. This thing seems to be misused more than properly used. I've seen TWO articles of cops tasing the fucking deaf!!! One was taking a shit behind a stall door!
2. Gang beatdowns after a chase and criminal is subdued. Too many videos and stories like this.
3. Cover ups. This is where I go into HATE mode.
4. Conspiracies. See the LA no-knock "warrant/robbery" bullshit of the 90's and others like it.

I have never once posted about individual events where a cop got a little rough. If you lay one hand on a cop, you lose it with me.

So, let me summarize

1. Yes, cops have dangerous jobs, but not as dangerous as they make it out to be. You can thank the unions for that silliness.

2. Yes, there are good cops, but as soon as they don't rat out a fellow cop for a crime when questioned, they are also bad. And, since every cop has come across at least one miserable fucking douchebag with a badge doing illegal shit ... every cop, in my opinion, is shit and should be kept at arms distance.

3. Yes, cops do good/great stuff. It is their job; see Chris Rock logic on it.

4. If you quit with the asinine gun laws, we'd need less cops. Not all of them, just less.

5. If you cut out this absurd War on Drugs, we'd need even LESS cops, the cops would be much safer, and everyone will be happier until the government pisses away the nine-figures it spends on this "War" on something else.

6. I've never been personally wronged by a police officer. I just have eyes and ears.

7. Blame my family for some of the hatred. I have heard their "lovely" stories for decades now. They laugh at how they got the "last shot" in. Like they are judge, jury, and executioner. Pussies. I challenge one of my cop friends or relatives to a fist fight in their precinct of choice at least twice a year.

that should spell out how I feel about the situation

[WJ5811]

I have read all your posts on this subject. Did you read all of mine? I said that if that video was as it is portrayed then yes that cop should lose his job. And he did lose it as a matter of fact. Looks like he is getting it back now because of a procedure that wasnt followed as I mentioned earlier. Sounds alot like the bullshit I deal with in our justice system which is the real problem. Courts have all these procedures and seems like its never about the crime committed but more about did you follow everything A-Z along the way. The moment someone didnt file some piece of paperwork on time or fill out some form and its like the crime never happened...everyone go home and we'll try it again next time.

[trendon]

I have read all your posts on this subject. Did you read all of mine? I said that if that video was as it is portrayed then yes that cop should lose his job. And he did lose it as a matter of fact. Looks like he is getting it back now because of a procedure that wasnt followed as I mentioned earlier. Sounds alot like the bullshit I deal with in our justice system which is the real problem. Courts have all these procedures and seems like its never about the crime committed but more about did you follow everything A-Z along the way. The moment someone didnt file some piece of paperwork on time or fill out some form and its like the crime never happened...everyone go home and we'll try it again next time.

Yeah, I always read everything. Can't really watch videos right now with customers flying around me, but caught the first two.

And I am with you on the justice department. I said this before and I'll say it again; I do not know who I despise more: the cops or the people pulling their strings (captains, mayors, DOT, lobbyist groups, politicians, etc).

On that note, I always thought the "I am not arresting him because of the paperwork" thing (for minor violations and what not) was bullshit until I got older and I joined in the cop conversations. I remember the first DWI I got, I was chatting with the cop and he showed me the inconvenience I caused him. So many frigging papers! I assured him my day was going worse.

By the way, people, I will soon post my "How to Avoid a DWI if You Did Choose to Drink & Drive" and my "How to Avoid Getting Punished (Too Severely) if You Get Caught" guides. Two DWI's, two stints in rehab, jail, and probation have taught me a lot!!!

Now, though, I just abstain from getting behind the wheel. That .05 bullshit for the lesser violation would crush me.

I know you all cannot wait!

[VeniVediV1ci]

i try to never drive the night of when i'm drinking, but i often go home early in the morning from places and that's where i'm concerned so i will be bating my breath for that, trend

[trendon]

i try to never drive the night of when i'm drinking, but i often go home early in the morning from places and that's where i'm concerned so i will be bating my breath for that, trend

If you are talking about going to bed and waking up over the limit, don't think that shit won't kill you. My rough estimate is:

- Each drink is .25
- Your body can metabolite about .05 an hour.

So, if you have four drinks in three hours, that's a .25*4 (1.00) and minus only .20 (.05*4). And that is like the best case scenario because you probably are spacing out your drinks. I do not feel like doing associated algebra right now.

Let's just say you get to bed after having six drinks in three hours and, counting sleep of five hours and one hour of not drinking while at the bar/leaving, you wake up to go to work.

- 6 x .25 = 1.50
- 6 x .05 - .30
- 1.50 - .30

You are still at a maximum of 1.20. That's 33% over the limit! I have actually considered buyin a breath machine for the car. It is not as reliable (notice I didn't say accurate and there is a reason for that) as the full-scale model the police use in the station. However, it is basically as reliable as the one they give while conducting their field sobriety test and that is what is important. Although, I will argue that if you are blowing into a roadside machine, you are getting hauled in anyway and you shouldn't be taking any breath tests whatsoever. That's what attorneys are for

[trendon]

On that note, it is Happy Hour! Time to get to work. Nice chat, fellas. Ready .... break!

[trendon]

Yo, I got a customer here that needs a beating. I'll turn the cameras off. Come help. Being retarded and is a close talker. Is that arrestable offense?

[Waldo]

Louisiana is always backwards, i mean Shel did come from there

sorry waldo

Meh, I can't actually defend Louisiana on this one, except for this one time. One of the cops came to break up a party, my friend was standing on his counter spraying people with a vegetable sprayer, and the cop just said tone it down some, even after being sprayed.